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    Re: Anybody need 411's?

    Quote Originally Posted by bowtie427ss View Post
    I might be completely out to lunch with the notion, but i'm well rested nonetheless.

    Recently i've been toying around using them as subwoofers in the 9846 boxes, actively crossed at 80hz.

    There are times i'd probably buy a turd if somebody put the right polish on it.
    Spot on, ideally, a surround should be seen and not heard and in the very best designs such as the late, great 2000B, no surround is the best 'surround'.

    Yeah, one quick listen to a Barcelona still attached to its shipping pallet told me that the 411 was a SOTA 'sub' woofer as there was nothing even close to compare it to and why I placed an order for two that day.

    Altec was adamant that it shouldn't be vented, but just for giggles I dropped one into an empty ~30 ft^3 net 10 ga steel/angle iron braced electrical starter controller cab I had access to anyway and after fiddling with the (now MLTL configuration) vent tuning a bit concluded that if the cab was acoustically large enough and tuned low enough referenced to driver Fs, a very high perceived (as opposed to technical) SQ alignment could be realized, i.e. basically a ~IB except with more upper bass gain without the 'color' of typical Altec, JBL or even the reference AR 3 AS loading Altec recommends.

    WRT my personal speaker design philosophy, it forever changed how I view what constitutes a high SQ vented alignment and only fairly recently has it finally been embraced by the DIY community.

    You're not alone, a majority of the consumer audio crowd's buying habits prove they increasingly do just this which in turn forces the majority of the recording industry to market junk that AFAIK, no amount of digital EQ can completely overcome it enough to make it 'near live' for a 'you are there' presentation.

    Speaking of which, anyone know how these new vinyl albums of old Beatles, et al are 'voiced'? Same as original or......? Digitally noise reduced, BW and/or dynamic headroom increased or.......?

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    Re: Anybody need 411's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    WRT my personal speaker design philosophy, it forever changed how I view what constitutes a high SQ vented alignment and only fairly recently has it finally been embraced by the DIY community.
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    Speaking of which, anyone know how these new vinyl albums of old Beatles, et al are 'voiced'? Same as original or......? Digitally noise reduced, BW and/or dynamic headroom increased or.......?

    I don't know about the New Beatles stuff that just came out.But I have been collecting MFSL = Mobile fidelity sound labs recordings for a long time.I can tell you that the new ones don't sound as good IMHO. Example I just bought a few months back Roy Orbison's Greatest Hits,Rush Permanent Waves,Cars The Cars, LP's on their vinyl.And personally didn't think they sounded as good as the older first ones they did (MFSL) Like the Beatles Abbey Road,Rubber Soul,or Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon !!! They still sound great but you can notice a bit of difference.

    I haven't heard the just released stuff to be fair.

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